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Discussion in 'American Airlines | AAdvantage' started by AmericanAirlines, Aug 24, 2011.
About 500K short of LT Gold.
If it is something you value, the building towards a lifetime goal, you are exactly right. Reconsideration is due.
My issue, I was already reconsidering because of the insane fare structure, and lack of ability to get awards I want.
I will not rule out AA, but as my primary, this was the last straw.
5 years of EXP behind me an absolute zero on United.
I cannot agree more that this is a major devaluation of the program. I am 5.5 million miler and have been an Executive Platinum member for years on AAdvantage. And I fly over 200,000 miles per year. The way AAdvantage is changing its elite program, I will be better off fly just over 100,000 miles on AA per year and move to another airline to qualify for another top flyer status there. Just another change to drive away AA's best customers. Am I right Delta's frequent flyer's program is richer?
It's all about the eye of the beholder and everything but, good luck with that.
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While these changes are putting me at a disadvantage in my chase for lifetime status, I can't get on board with the DL comment. I got rid of my DL skypesos years ago and haven't looked back. If anything, UA is the real program that appears to be a challenge to AAdvantage.
It might take me awhile to get lifetime PLT on AA, but I'm not going to be flying DL and paying 200K miles for an economy ticket to SYD on their awful program.
Basically AA is joining All the other programs by now counting only BIS
. I can only say I have no idea what took them so long to have done this. Counting any miles earned anyway didnt endear anyone to AA nor make them fly AA. Sure AA made some $$ along the way, but now is losing $$ by not being able to hit those Kettles with its fees since thats how most Carriers are making their $$ today
I guess better late to the party then not at all, Great that they are Grandfathering in anyone who already got to 1MM or 2MM no matter how, but it was Dumb to begin with
You are half right here.
Getting in line with counting only BIS. Yes. I agree. However they're requiring twice as many for the same status level. This can not be seen as equal.
But they're offering multiple avenues to BIS which is more restricted on other programs. Take that for what it's worth.
I'm still not sure getting to 1MM BIS on UA only would be faster than 2MM on AA/OW/Partners. I don't really have a problem with the "how".
I'm more concerned with "what" we get. I can see the allure of the UA program offering a better status at 1MM, particularly for someone starting from zero. Being vested in AA already, I'm not motivated to change programs though.
Does anyone know of you transfer/give your miles (15,000 max are allowed) to someone else will those count towards 1MM if done before December 1?
Yes, it will.
From what I remember they cannot give those same miles back to you and get an increase in lifetime miles though.
Everyone's level of already vested of course is different.
And yes, Any AA Code as it seems to be is nice. UA is UA metal only.
But UA's route network is also MUCH larger. I can fly UA to Australia. I can fly them to EZE, I can fly them to Europe.
Do i recommend them over partners? Sometimes not. But AA's partners are not enough of a difference to make it worth while.
Yes, for upgrading (i do not do a lot of that) UA is much more restrictive. But having about 600k AA miles lifetime, I am years of EXP/1K from getting back to zero. Throw in I already have more than 100k on UA lifetime and it is hard not to go back to them.
But I would think for most flyers, being able to earn on partners will not double their eqm on a 10 year basis.
its still 1MM for Gold and 2MM for Plat and it seems they are allowing ANY Airline partner be it a OW member or just a AA member. With UA only UA metal counted
so if I read it correctly fly B6 and LY 1 MM eqms and you got LT Gold and both arent OW members as long as you credit those flights to AA
So where is it that AA will be harder I see it as it being alot easier for someone who doesnt already have 1 or 2 MM status. Most Carriers all that they count is BIS on their Metal
Yeah. I think they could have gone a long way to mitigate that gap by including all miles from flying. That would give the GLDs a 25% bump. The PLT & EXP would get double miles, which mean a 50K/year flyer starting out from zero would need the same BIS on AA to get to 1MM as on UA to get to 500K.
Plus it would have awarded extra miles for premium classes.
Miles from partners is nice, but does little for those of us who mostly fly domestic.
There are domestic partners, too, so HA/AS/B9 are available for LT mile earning. A small opportunity though.
At least that's how the rules seem to read, still waiting for AA to confirm....
I don't think it needs to be AA coded, just AA mileage earning. At least based on how the annoucement was worded.
Thumbs up for the advance notice. Beyond that I don't see it as a positive move by AA or myself. I am at ~200k mostly from ancillary sources. I viewed the previous offer as essentially a lifetime baggage fee waiver due to AA's lack of UDU. With award availability seemingly getting worse what incentive do I have to continue mandating iDine and Citi fund AMR?
My UA counter only has increased by the number of EQMs I earned and not by any bonus I earned for being a 1K, and my flights on other *A Members including CO before the merge took place didnt move the counter up anything. nor even today does it count towards the Q bonuses for CR1s from what Ive been told. Fly US 1MM and credit it all to UA you have 0 miles towards 1MM on UA, besides youd need a shrink for actually flying US for 1MM
Maybe Im missing something in the 1st post but I dont see AA needing 2x what it will take for UA
A very small opportunity, for those of us based in DFW.
Or people whom are relatively close to their first, or second or subsequent million mile mark (relatively probably meaning within 50-200k).
AA's domestic partnerships really only benefit West coast and East coast FFers. I'm ORD based so have limited chance of using any partners domestically. I use JL and CX since I'm in Asia mostly.
Edited to Add: Despite all the heartburn, if the rumored changes over at UA go through for their FF program, these Lifetime status changes might not look so bad by comparison.
This is unfare because everyone bought the verizon pucks expecting to get lifetime status - and the pucks points will not post in time .
Couldn't agree more with the devaluation comment.
And the mistery is over!!! Well... 2 things will change for me:
1 - I will never buy AA miles again, I only bought them to boost the Million Miler Count
2 - Bye bye to Mileage Multiplier - My last purchase will be on my next trip, next Sept.8!!!
And I was thinking about taking some trips (Spending some money) around the globe to boost my mileage as well, since bonus miles won't count anymore! Bye bye not so important trips!!!
By doing that, at least with me, AA will loose revenue based on my profile! Good Luck for me (1.6MM Estimated on DEC. 1st) and for them!!!
I'm a UA/CO girl, but I jumped over to this forum when my friend (who's sitting on 836K LT miles sent me the e-mail from AA. I'm also currently in the thick of uncertainty as to what to do with my own flying in 2012, given the rumored new MP program. I was highly considering moving some of my flying to AA. What struck me as odd is that AA was not very strategic in making this announcement a few weeks prior to UA making their own announcement of how their MM program will look in 2012. If I were AA, I would have sat on the sidelines for about a year waiting for the dust to settle, and enjoyed all of that extra business from people like myself. This announcement now makes AA a less attractive option for me, and will certainly weigh into my decision-making.