I'll avoid the "fight" with the following poster but as I said earlier, I have a LOT of BA miles and only enough AA for my trip to Thailand next year. If you recall how this thread started, I was really responding to the point that they have value - at least they do for me. I'm not sure what the fees are - I assume you're right. But again, 2 FC tickets to HKG are worth it to me and I can certainly understand that not everyone feels that way. I was trying to help a friend find tickets from NY to JNB earlier today and was pleased I found Business Class seats he wanted. The return was perfect but the way over involved a 6 hour layover. I told him it was not ideal for me but that I would book it (his points were with CO) and pay the $75 per person when something better came along. He said his wife didn't want that long of a layover and he would pass. My guess is that they will eventually fly coach. Fine - to each his own. But I really believe that this is the reason I ALWAYS mange to score and most people tell you redemption is impossible!